Narcissistic Mother

Narcissistic mothers cause pain, but there’s much you can do to reclaim your life and thrive despite having one.

As a psychotherapist in private practice, I’m often asked, “What can you do when you have a narcissistic mother?”

It is a poignant question because we’re all an extension of our mother in some way or another. You, for instance, may have similar physical features or personality characteristics that make people realize you are a product of your mom.

But, how do you protect yourself when your narcissistic mother demands you provide her with the unconditional, one-way love that she feels entitled to…no matter how she treats you?

When this is the case, your narcissistic mother may see you as something that she created with the hope to have a copy of herself for her own amusement. Or, she may see you as an object, like a piece of luggage that should serve her when she needs it and be out of the away when she does not.

If so, you may have been treated with such disrespect and abuse that makes it difficult for you to develop any sort of real relationship with your mother, let alone feel the love towards your mom that she expects you to give. To the outside world, everything may have appeared perfect, but behind closed doors? That’s where the horror was released.

Many a narcissistic mother is aware of her demanding ways and believes everyone should treat her in the fantastical way that she sees herself. She may live in their own little world where her accomplishments, real or fake, are of grand proportions that no one else can live up to.

To this day, her expectations of you may be ever-changing and not truly attainable.  If you have a narcissistic mother, you may feel you are never good enough, or that you must compete with your siblings for her approval or affection. And, no matter how much you achieve or strive to accommodate her, you will not measure up to her unrealistic expectations.

Why do narcissistic moms have children?

When a narcissist has a child, it is not for the same reason that others procreate. She does so because she wants that child to satisfy her unmet needs.

These can vary from the need to feel like she will always be loved by you, or the hope she’ll be more bonded to her husband by providing a child, or the belief she’ll never be alone, or to have the illusion of another chance at life and so on.

Some narcissistic mothers essentially want a real-life extension of themselves, only to be deeply upset about the fact that they did not receive that “mini-me” from you. If, due to being a child, you could not meet her needs, your mother may have withdrawn from you or have become demeaning, critical, and manipulative. In short, it wasn’t acceptable for you to be a child because a child is, by its very nature, needy and “perfectly imperfect.”

The narcissistic mother’s love is typically volatile and conditional.   Below are three common roles in which the sons and daughters of narcissistic mothers often find themselves cast.


The roles can be projected by the narcissist onto one sibling then the next and the roles can last for moments or years.  Even more confusing, you may have been cast in different roles at different time in your childhood.  Read below to try to recall what roles you played and when you were cast.

Lost Child

This role involves a great deal of neglect.  Your narcissistic mother was simply not aware of, or interested in, your needs.  You could be sent to school with clothing too big or small, dirty, or unmatched.

You may have been teased by other kids because you did not have enough positive attention paid to you at home to know what was socially acceptable behavior. You often felt unlovable or unworthy because you were not treated as inherently valuable.

Scapegoated Child

Nothing you did was ever good enough. What may have satisfied your narcissistic mother one day could disappoint her the next.

If you expressed you felt your mother treated you unfairly, she might have led you to believe that you were crazy and ungrateful.  The “love” and “thoughtfulness” she gave you through her constant criticism was to be treasured.

If you did something of value and worth, you may have been cut down and made to believe that your accomplishments had no meaning in your narcissistic mother’s eyes.   Or, you could have been elevated and bragged about to the point of objectification.  (See Chosen, Hero or Golden child below.)

Chosen, Hero or Golden Child

To be the Chosen, Hero or Golden child of a narcissistic mother is usually the complete opposite of the scapegoat child. You are worshipped and idolized by your mother from the moment you are born.

You are the one person in her life that can do nothing wrong and every accomplishment, no matter how small, deserves a parade in her eyes. You’re a representation of the best of her, the golden child.

You may become even more important than her spouse in a sometimes provocative and psychologically seductive way.

Lost Child, Scapegoat & Chosen, Hero or Golden Child in a Narcissistic Family System:

Many times, there’s a golden child and a scapegoat in the narcissistic family. The golden child is a “favorite” of the mother’s choosing. Then there’s the scapegoat, the one who gets the blame for everything, the one who can never be as good as the mother or the golden child.

The scapegoat never measures up in the mother’s eyes. She can win awards, get good grades, get into a great school, but it goes unnoticed or unacknowledged.

If it’s noted, it’s usually done so in a way that makes the mother look good, saying that everything the child has learned is because of the mother’s parenting efforts.

The Lost Child will sometimes be relieved to hide from the narcissistic mother and at other times be pulled into more attention getting roles.

Why Don’t Narcissistic Mothers Change?

Narcissistic moms blame everyone else, and too often their children, for the consequences their own self absorbed choices have caused. It often falls to friends and family members to point out the extreme oddity of the narcissistic mother’s ways and recommend treatment. Even when offered help, a narcissist is more likely to be offended than to seek treatment.

Ironically, though the people around the narcissistic mother can identify the source of their suffering, the narcissist does not believe she is the one who should change.

Therefore, it is unlikely your mother sought treatment for narcissism.  In contrast, she may have put you in treatment with the hope that you would become easier to deal with.

Children and spouses are the ones who often suffer most, not the narcissist themselves, because the narcissist doesn’t feel that their chronically self-absorbed behavior is just that. Quite the opposite, actually. The narcissistic mother feels that everyone else is at fault when things go wrong.

As a child, you had to learn from very early on how to please your mother enough to survive. You may have grown up to think that nothing you ever do is good enough and that you are not worthy of the love you desire.

Narcissism, at its extreme, is a mental disorder called Narcissistic Personality Disorder, (NPD), characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, fantasies of success, power, and physical attractiveness that the person may or may not possess, a constant need for attention and admiration, and obsessive self-interest. These are the obvious symptoms that people think of when they think of the term “narcissism.”

There are a cluster of personality disorders, including NPD, that are on the narcissistic spectrum described by the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) and they include Borderline Personality Disorder as well as Histrionic Personality Disorder.

These disorders describe different chronic behavioral patterns often exhibited by a narcissistic mother who may not even be aware of how she is treating you.

In sum, the first step in dealing with a narcissist is to identify the repetitive hurtful behaviors rooted in how you were cast in the roles identified above.  Accept that your narcissistic mother is highly resistant to change.  Then, learn how to best respond to her negative behaviors in order to protect your happiness.

Why Narcissists Have Children

Why do narcissists even have kids in the first place?

I’m going to cut straight to the chase on this one. Narcissists do not have children for the same reason that emotionally healthy people do.

They have them because they need more mirrors, more images to remind themselves of how great they are and how they brought someone into the world that is like them.

Unfortunately for the narcissistic parent, this isn’t the case 99.9% of the time because as children age, they develop their own sense of self and their own personality apart from their parents. Then they become more of a burden than a blessing on their narcissistic parent.

Some narcissists become parents out of accident or because of an ill-thought out plan they created to have someone there to love and admire them without having to give it back in return.

They’re looking for the narcissistic supply which they try to obtain from anyone and everyone. They believe that having a child will give them an endless supply because their child must love them and has to be a part of their lives, while they’re young at least.

Narcissists see their kids as someone they can put their name on, a product that they can put out into the world with their branding all over it. They use their children to gain self-esteem and as someone they can easily walk all over. They want their children to take care of them and reverse the roles of how parent-child interactions should be.

Narcissistic parents try to control their children in every facet of their lives.

They try to keep their children from growing up and gaining their own identity, fearing it will lead their children to leave them and go on to live their own lives.

Narcissistic parents try to control their children in four different ways:

  1. Guilt-driven: They make their children feel guilty and making them feel like a burden on the narcissistic parent. They say things like, “I sacrificed my life, my body, for you…”
  2. Dependence-driven: The narcissistic parent makes their child feel that they could not go on living without their child in their life. They tell their kids that they need them and that they cannot take care of themselves, their lives, and their well-being by themselves.
  3. Goal-driven: I like to call this the Tiger Mom Effect. This means that the narcissistic parent, not necessarily the mother (although it usually is), is always striving or making their child strive to be the best no matter what and no matter if the child is truly interested in the goal or not. They live vicariously through their child and ride on the coattails of their achievements. They may say things like, “We have a goal we need to achieve…”
  4. Explicit: This type of control is based on negative repercussions if their child does not do what they want or say. They withhold rewards and give excessive punishment if they do not get their way. This can be very draining on the child because they feel that they can never do anything right.

 

Most narcissistic mothers see motherhood as a burden and like to let it be known how much work it is. They do not take into account that children are not merely mirrors of themselves and that they are actual human beings with wants, needs, and feelings different than their own.

They often pick a favorite, or a golden child, who can do no wrong and grows up with unrealistic expectations of praise and worth. They also have children that are the scapegoats, the ones who all the blame is put on and are never worthy enough no matter how great their achievements may be.

They play the children off of each other for their own amusement, which causes riffs between the siblings that may not be mended easily. The narcissistic parent is always comparing the children and blaming them for his or her shortcomings.

Narcissistic parents treat their children in different ways. They either try to control them, ignore them completely, or engulf them and make it so they cannot develop into their own self.

A narcissistic mother fails to treat her child as an authentic person with wants and needs which may not match up with hers. She is completely self-centered and needs the attention to be all about her no matter what. If her child’s accomplishment is something to be admired, she’ll take all the credit for it while at the same time telling their child that they could’ve done better.

Parenthood is never about anyone else but them. For most people, having a child means having someone to take care of and love, not the other way around. A narcissist cares about no one but themselves and not even having a child can change their mindset.

Narcissistic Types

There are many faces of narcissism. Some of these may not be scientific or politically correct terms, but I feel that if you have a narcissistic mother in your life, you may be able to recognize some of these and nod your head in agreement.

  1. The Time Hostage: Your mom gets mad at you when you need to reschedule but assumes you will reschedule with her and/or repeatedly cancels on you last minute.
  2. The Quietly Self-Absorbed Narcissist: She’s socially withdrawn and odd thinking, with morose self-doubts and a relentless search for power and has fantasies of great achievements.
  3. The Nice Narcissist: She’s nice. She just needs you to agree with her at all times or she won’t like you.
  4. The Victim: She is unable to take accountability for her choices.  She looks at a problem and blames it on something out of her control instead of searching for anything in the situation she can change.
  5. The Attacker: She comes at you with attacks to see if you admit to anything or, as a way of expressing her fears.
  6. The Downer: She is so busy talking about why everything is lacking that she isn’t emotionally present to you.
  7. The Assessor: It is her job to critique how you measure up and point out anything you could improve on, not to give at least equal time to telling you what you do right.
  8. The Credit Taker: She takes credit for everything, whether she deserves it or not. She passes the blame onto others, whether justified or not. She’s always right, never wrong.
  9. The Jealous Narcissist: If you have it, she wants it or will strive to make it seem worth less than it is and devalue it.
  10. The Competitor: She lets you know you may be good but she is better, or prettier, or smarter, or more accomplished than you’ll ever be.
  11. The Operator: She work’s her own agenda at all times. She’s walled off in her plans for you and everyone else whether you agree with her or not.
  12. The Fading Beauty: She is not handling the aging process well and looks at your comparable youth as an affront.
  13. The Beauty Queen: She identifies herself strongly with her attractiveness and may have been the homecoming queen, the best dressed, or known for her beauty.  She’s especially bothered if you don’t try to make the most of your looks.
  14. The Innocent Narcissist: She’s highly defensive and extremely hostile but masks it behind a “poor me” facade of vulnerability.
  15. The Enraged Narcissist: She screams to get her needs met and projects rage without a filter, not caring who sees it. She doesn’t apologize for her actions.
  16. The Vengeful Narcissist: She enjoys inflicting pain on others and getting back at them if she does not get her way.
  17. The Passive Aggressive Narcissist: She sulks and gives the silent treatment and plots how to punish those who don’t give her what she wants. She is vindictive and capable of becoming a stalker.
  18. The Stealth Narcissist: She fakes an interest in other people and their needs and knows that acting concerned with get her what she wants.
  19. The Cruel Narcissist: She is never fair and her discipline shows that. She knowingly causes you pain and enjoys knowing that you are miserable.
  20. The Character Assassinator: She is always trying to tarnish your reputation by lying, exaggerating, or manipulating the facts to make you look bad and to make her look good.
  21. The Stingy Narcissist: Gifts, compliments, advice and money are given, but look out when you inevitably fail.
  22. The Wounded Narcissist: She feels victimized and the world is against her. She needs you to take care of her and aid in her every want and need.
  23. The Disdainful Narcissist: You are treated as though you are less than what she expected, a disappointment or failure.
  24. The Scapegoating Narcissist: Her life would be better if you were better, or whoever she’s choosing to scapegoat was better. And it will not be better until this person changes.
  25. The User Narcissist: She takes advantage of you and treats you as more of an employee than anything else. She uses you to get ahead in her own life.
  26. The Boundary-less Narcissist: There is no difference between you and her, you are an extension of her and therefore she has no limits. She intrudes on your space and looks through your personal belongings. She embarrasses you constantly.
  27. The Amnesia Narcissist: No matter what healthy requests you’ve made, it is as if you have to repeat yourself every time. For example, “Please don’t hug me or kiss me, it makes me feel uncomfortable,” is ignored.
  28. The Needy Narcissist: “You don’t give me enough calls” or attention. She wants more from you than anyone could deliver.
  29. The Time-Sucker Narcissist: You could spend every minute with this person and they would still feel neglected.
  30. The Mind-Reader Narcissist: You didn’t say it, you didn’t think it, and yet they have read into something and insist it is true.
  31. The Clairvoyant Narcissist: You didn’t say it, you didn’t think it, but once they have said it you realize it’s true and it’s usually something negative about them (can cause identity confusion for you).
  32. The Touchy-Feely Narcissist: You are expected to tolerate her touching you however and whenever they want.
  33. The Holiday Narcissist: You don’t exist unless it is their birthday or a holiday where she feels the need for family time.
  34. The Glamour Narcissist: She is all about making herself look good. She buys the most expensive clothes, gets her hair and nails done, and doesn’t care about the amount of money she spends.
  35. The Rockstar Narcissist: She believes that she is the center of attention and it should always be that way. She’s the main attraction and wants everyone to idolize her, even if she really has no talents or reason to be in the limelight.
  36. The World Traveler Narcissist: She brags about places she’s been and makes up stories about the places she hasn’t been, but tells people she has. She has grandiose fantasies about how worldly she is.
  37. The Professor/Elite Intellectual Narcissist: She is brainy and seeks admiration for her intelligence. She uses her intellect to put others down and make them feel stupid.
  38. The Stage Mom/The Promoter: She lives her fantasies through you. She makes you do the things she wish she could [still] do and believes your achievements are her own.
  39. The Fashionista: She tells you how to dress and what not to wear—often when you’re already wearing it!
  40. Miss Manners: She still meticulously points out your etiquette failures– from how you eat to what family events you should attend.
  41. The Publicist: She brags about you to others but is excessively critical of you when you are alone.
  42. The Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde Narcissist: She is nice in public, but mean under her breath or when alone.
  43. The Forever Young Narcissist: When did you become more mature than your mother? How old is she, really, emotionally?
  44. The Hot Mama Narcissist: Sexualized and distracted.
  45. The Lovesick Narcissist: Always chasing that ideal mate or trying to win the affection of her partner.
  46.  The Enabler Mom: She is too distracted with your rebel siblings’ problems or her partner’s addictive behaviors and seems to get a bit of a rush or power out of rescuing.
  47. The Social Butterfly: Everyone in town loves her, she is a generous host, but she can’t be bothered to make time for you.
  48. The Hypochondriac Narcissist: She believes something’s physically wrong with her, you should be checking in on her. And, if you don’t, as luck would have it, she unfortunately has something real going on every once in awhile. Or, it’s nothing a reputable doctor will confirm but she’s fighting off her cancer, leprosy, etc. with special treatments she’s managed to find through her own sheer will to survive.
  49. The Financially-Challenged Narcissistic: She just needs a little bit of help for this umpteenth self created crisis and she’s sorry she hasn’t paid you back yet for the last time you lent her money.
  50. The Martyr Narcissist: Her refrain is “How Can You Do This to Me?”  She tells you that you make her miserable, suicidal, isolated, or some other negative emotion. You are told that, in one way or another, you control her emotions and that if you would just do what she wanted she would be fine.
  51. The BFF (Best Friends Forever) Narcissist: You are her best friend, she doesn’t know what she would do without you, unless she had a better offer, in that case you’ll just have to wait until the next time she’s lonely. You are brought out like a doll when she wants attention then ignored when she doesn’t need it (but seriously, when doesn’t she need it?). This is also a description of what is experienced when someone is another’s “narcissistic supply.”
  52. The Expensive Narcissist: She has ruined your credit through manipulation to use your credit.
  53. The Criminal Narcissist: Some narcissists exploit their children or others through identity theft, mismanagement of trust funds, and fraudulent financial dealings. You may or may not have been the target of her crime, but she doesn’t see the rule of law applies to her. She may have Antisocial Personality Disorder, which is a pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. As if the narcissism wasn’t enough!

If you found this article helpful, I encourage you to read my free eBook The 7 Steps to Recovering from a Narcissistic Mother.

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Renee October 6, 2017 at 11:55 am

Thanks for asking Sandy. I’m doing very well. There were no services, per barb, and I’m fine with that.

Funny, I don’t feel like I’m grieving but I’ve been told I’ve been in grief for years because of the lack of having a loving, accepting mother. The great up-side is that any set-backs only linger for a day and don’t put me in bed with crippling anxiety for days and then weeks of emotional torture in the depths of hell.

Yes, the house brought back memories that I hadn’t expected to relive and had suppressed. Better out than in!! My sister, the golden child, dropped off a bunch of items from the house after I had clearly told her I wanted nothing from the house. But she dumped it off anyway. I texted her to come and take the items away and she wouldn’t!! I told her not to leave any more items at our house. All of it is tainted energy and I want nothing to do with it.

As it is for all of us, it’s a very long road to finding balance, healing and peace but I’m more on the ‘up’ side than the ‘down’ side and I’m appreciative for the progress I’ve made ~ with the help from my husband, children, and this site.

A component to healing is sharing what worked and what didn’t during this journey with those who are just starting, in it deeply, or wrapping it up. As those who guided me before, I am able to share the gift of compassion, understanding, and encouragement for those in their quest.

The best to you Sandy!!

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Sally March 24, 2018 at 6:23 pm

I really wondered last year if I was in permanent grieving. I can see that my insides told me right. I just didn’t know what about. I’ve only just read about the narcisstic mother, she fits 90% of boxes.

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Kim October 29, 2017 at 8:26 am

Hi,
I have downloaded the ebook, but have not read it yet.
Your article ‘The Narcissistic Mother’, makes me feel like I am reading my life story with my mother. I feel physically ill and vindicated at the same time.
I was disowned by my mother for 15 years after developing a mild case of MS. She is also the matriarch and strong influencer in my family unit. She convinced them that I was mentally ill and abusive, due to the fact that we were fragmented. I now understand the level of manipulation and scapegoating by her.
After a few months of seeing her, she became highly critical and demeaning toward me again. I ignored the insults and derogatory comments because she is a senior, and I was there to love and help her.
I went on a vacation with my brother, (the Golden Child, and whom she was upset with for seeing me again), and she disowned me again on return. She tried to indicate by an email that she doesn’t need ‘this’ in her life-meaning me. She tried to make it seem as if I was being mean to her. She forwards these emails to my sister, who I’ve been told, hates me. There has been so much triangulation by her throughout the years, and it makes me sad. I realized from your article how destructive her behaviour has been and how I was robbed of a healthy family life and loving sibling relationships.
There is so much more but I do not want to re-live this. I look forward to reading the e-book and improving my self esteem, for the second or third time. I am the youngest child and her banishment makes me feel about 5 years old again.
Thank you for your work. I believe this will begin my healing.

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Blanca November 4, 2017 at 10:51 am

Good article!
My mother is a martyr, mind-reader, character-assassinator narcissistic. She speaks behind my back when she has the opportunity to do it. I have tell her a lot of times that it hurts me, but she keeps doing it anyway. She also seems to not be able to handle me when I’m sad. If I just tell her that I’m sad and I would rather be alone in my room, she gets angry at me for no reason and tells me that if I’m not feeling ok it’s just because I want to and that I don’t care about her… she seems unable to give me real support or love but she seems to constantly seek it from me. I told her that I wanted to live somewhere else but she wouldn’t let me…
I hope I can learn more about narcissistic mothers in your web-site!

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Gloria November 13, 2017 at 5:24 am

Hi Kim,

Welcome to the site.
You’re so not alone.My mother also convinced the whole world that am mentally ill and I was shunned by all.
Luckily I was able to leave the country, so am well on my journey to balance and healing.
Good luck to you. Hope you manage to deal with that toxic environment.

Hi Renee. Good to hear from you .Keep the inspiration coming. Your brilliant insight has helped me a lot.

Peace all..

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Meil November 14, 2017 at 3:49 pm

Yes welcome Kim and Blanca. This is site is vital to remembering that the tragedy in your life is not your fault. You deserve(d) a nurturing mother.

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Lynn November 21, 2017 at 7:42 am

It’s only took me forty years to work out what my mother was, I am now having hypnosis to deal with hurt and pain, putting me up to pull me down.
I am not mad after all…. glad I kept fighting.
Shame I had to google… why does my mother hate me to figure out what a narcissist was, but better late than never…. I feel free now, leaving her and any guilt behind.
Looking forward to life wIth my wonderful little family her lose entirely xxx

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Deb November 21, 2017 at 5:01 pm

I am 62 and just now understand my mother’s behaviors. She is 86 and still strong in the behaviors of a passive-aggressive-narcissist. I am hopeful that with the information you provided, I will become more understanding and be able to find an appropriate relationship with her. She will never be the mother I still want to have had, but knowing why will help, I believe.

Thank you for your interest and knowledge in this area and your willingness to share with us.

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Amanda April 8, 2018 at 8:14 am

I echo your sentiments. I’m 54 and my mother is 85. I only recently heard of NOD and it has been a great relief to me to be able to describe her simply without feeling guilt about criticising her. I really hope that I will be able to find a way to deal with her in the future without trying to mend the unmendable.

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Amanda April 8, 2018 at 8:16 am

I echo your sentiments. I’m 54 and my mother is 85. I only recently heard of NOD and it has been a great relief to me to be able to describe her simply without feeling guilt about criticising her. I really hope that I will be able to find a way to deal with her in the future without trying to mend the unmendable. I am most sad that I don’t have or will never have the mother I would like

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Sand November 27, 2017 at 10:25 am

Deb — thank you for your post! I too, am 62 and just now learning to understand my mother’s behaviors. She is an able-bodied 86 year old. I’ve two male siblings – one of whom is a Golden Child (60), and the other has a no-nonsense/business fact-minded approach (55). Triangulation occurs between by my golden-child brother, his wife, my mom and me. Other triangulation/quad-rangulation was between my mom, daughter (24), x-husband who was also NPD, and me.

So my Mom had been really nice . . .for six months. She moved, and I did most of the heavy-lifting – emotionally, moving, driving, cleaning, time off from work, etc. Three weeks ago, she told me she was moving in with me. With backbone, I told her that she had to have other social activities: bridge, swimming, movies, with the senior center in our community. She said she would not – but she still said she was moving in with me. I said you can’t move in with me – – and tell me what to do, you need a social avenue. Well — out of the blue – – Narcissistic Rage! If I call her she hangs up on me. My Golden Child sibling and his wife are now part of the triangulation/quad-rangulation – and I’m the scape-goat, once again. The theft rumors of me taking her money, her 6 glasses, standing up for my daughter, etc. – – are endless.

I thought I worked through this…and now at this age – – I feel like I’m being treated like a child once again, disrespected, and cut out of the will. They say narcissist enjoy this infliction of pain – – I don’t’ feel guilt. I’ve a gigantic headache trying to put puzzle pieces together (again). One side of me says I should apologize for hurting her feelings; another tells me to run.

Writing this post has been cathartic! Maybe I need to take up journaling. Be well, all. We try to stay positive, “be present” – – and focus on what is important. Thank you for reading.

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AmberJay November 28, 2017 at 9:54 pm

Hi Sand,
Wow! Been there, done that, got the T-shirt!
My advice:
1. Do not apologize…you are strong and wise for NOT letting her move in with you.
2. Right now, the rumors and word vomit from the others probably feels like an unstoppable stream of burning lava sliding down a mountain.
Your brain may be telling you to use words and explanations (like a normal adult) to resolve this situation…but you have to remember, you are not dealing with normal adults.
To change the course of the lava flow…you may have to resort to “mind games”.
By “mind games”….I mean….do exactly the opposite of what they expect you to do and say.
Such as…mailing a light-hearted friendly note to your Mom that says…”I’m so thankful for my brother and his wife, they always have your best interest at heart. It was such a burden on me helping you move 6 months ago. I know they enjoy spending extra time with you now.” (This vaguely implies that “they” can meet her narcissistic needs for awhile.)
Then…mail a light-hearted friendly note to your Sister-in-Law…a note that is vague and complimentary about her decision to protect your Mom…and add “you always want the best for my brother, that is something to be admired”. (This will give her a gigantic headache trying to put the puzzle pieces together!) She may even wonder, “what have I gotten myself into?!”
Smother them both with vague, kind words (frequently)…they will be so disturbed by it…they may even turn the lava flow on each other.
The point is: you didn’t turn on the lava, and you cannot turn it off…all you can do is try to gracefully change its path.
3. Do not offer or give up $1…or 1 oz….of anything. Do not offer/commit to help or assist or rescue any of them. If you are in an awkward spot, offer a flood of the vague, kind words and some complimentary comments….nothing else.
Write a list of them and keep them in your purse if necessary.
4. Take care of yourself…period.
BTW…I realize that you didn’t ask for my advice 🙂
LOL
Take care, AJ

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Jan June 20, 2018 at 11:09 am

Hello Sand and Deb,
Like yourselves, I am 62 and realized within the past 2 years that my mother has many narc traits. In very early adulthood I subconciously

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Liz June 25, 2018 at 9:09 am

Thank you for your response, I too have discovered late in life what I had been dealing with, and it is so refreshing to know we are not alone… much love your way!

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Jan June 20, 2018 at 11:47 am

Hello Sand and Deb,
Like yourselves, I am 62 and realized within the past 2 years that my mother has many narc traits. In very early adulthood I subconsciously learned that the best path with my mother was to “go along to get along”. This worked very well for her as I was unaware of the sacrifice I was making. Way to late in life, I realized that I was being manipulated and used. I was not expressing or honoring myself or being authentic. When I finally began to express myself, all hell broke loose. I have been scapegoated and discarded by mother and 2 narcissistic siblings. I absolutely feel that greedy siblings are adding fuel to the fire. I have been no contact for 5 months and it is so difficult. My emotions are all over the place, but I will get through it. I don’t expect any reconciliation as narcissists are never wrong, but I will get beyond this and hopefully be stronger.

I am thankful for the opportunity to voice my opinion here. In my family, expressing a difference of opinion was not appreciated. Thank you for reading! We are strong, we will survive, life will be good. Best to all.

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Nicky August 9, 2018 at 8:11 am

I have only recently come across this site. Like Jan, Liz, Amanda, Deb and Sand (and maybe more!) I have only recently become aware of narcissistic parenting. For me, it’s a revelation and has given me a lot to think about. I have known for a long time that something was wrong, but couldn’t identify it. I grew up really lacking in self confidence, felt a deep underlying sense of worthlessness and feeling flawed, was a people pleaser, unassertive, and hyper sensitive to perceived rejection. Even now, as a middle aged woman, I can replay conversations over and over in which I felt rejected by someone in some way. As if rejection makes me null and void. I am really trying to work on this, and on working on accepting myself more. I’m getting better! People don’t see this insecurity, though, as I put on a good show of being confident and chatty. I always sensed it was partly due to feeling unloved by my dad, as growing up, he was very emotionally absent. I tried my best to make him love me, but to no avail. However, with my mum, things were easier. It has only been since I reached adulthood that I really started to notice her behaviour (she became more cold, critical, passive aggressive, self absorbed etc..and everything seemed to be about her) I noticed it got worse as years went by, especially once she started drinking. Possibly the alcohol brought up a lot of unresolved issues (she’d had a rough childhood) Because I had moved away (abroad) I started becoming more aware of it when we met up, and in time, learned to keep my mouth shut to keep the peace, and just (as one of the other ladies mentioned above) ‘go along’ with things. It meant keeping quiet, agreeing with everything, and just not being myself. But not being authentic takes a toll on your health, especially as after each time we met I had to stifle everything. It was exhausting and dehumanising. I felt like I had to make myself a ‘zero’, devoid of feelings or opinions (unless it confirmed their own, of course) just nodding and agreeing. I feel that over the years we have had very few real conversations, if any. Most often, her and my father’s drinking mean that the conversation, if you can call it that, just goes round in circles, and is almost always about them, while my children just sit and listen, largely ignored. After my last visit ‘home’ last month, I realised just how dysfunctional things had become. I feel very guilty writing all this, and sad, too. I know my parents probably did their best but they seem to think that feeding and clothing us, having a roof over our head and a holiday once a year meant we had a happy childhood, and that we should be grateful. In reality, I often felt lonely, misunderstood, and at times a bit detached, growing up. Being a sensitive type probably didn’t help. Feelings were suppressed, nothing was discussed, and I was not allowed to disagree. Luckily I have 2 brothers, so I wasn’t completely alone. Like Sand, I have the dynamic of the 2 brothers, one the golden child, the other scapegoat…although I was also the scapegoat at one point, this role has now been passed on to my older brother. The golden child has also distanced himself from my mum due to her insulting his wife while drunk at a Christmas gathering last year. Anyway, looking at all the information about narcissistic mothers, I can see my experience was pretty mild (I wasn’t physically abused, for example) but I mourn the relationship and closeness I thought we once had as a child (if we ever did, not sure how much I just wanted to believe that) Whatever we had, it has really deteriorated over the years, as my mum has built a wall around her and my father, and become more superficial and less open or warm. I still feel that if only I could see her more often, then maybe I could get through to her, but I’m probably deluding myself. Great to be able to share all this, and sorry for the length!

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zoe zhang December 1, 2017 at 9:10 pm

That is so nice and warm of you putting up the facts for us adult – child of narcissistic mom. I was suffering for 34 years already. I grow up feeling anxious and depressed all the time. I could never be truly happy, even with great achievement I made in my life and with the love from my friends . I do not know, I always blamed my father whom always fight with my mom. My mom always crying and blaming my dad for his bad temper. As a child, I really feel sorry for my mom and hated my dad for my mom’s accusation on him. Also, I want to be excellent and earn a good life for my mom, kind of save her out of the tears “ brought up “ by my dad. Also, not surprising, my mom never care about my need and feeling because she is too busy to fight with my dad as well as crying. Later, they got divorced , my dad left her. Since then, she start to blame me causing her divorce, things getting strange more. She blame on me everything I did and ruin all the happiness I earned and shared with her. I started getting mad and broken. Then I realise, my father is actuarially the victim, while my mom she is the real one who causing so many fighting and sadness in our family. That was hard for me, I mean, to facing all this and accept that my mom she is not able to love, not mentioning loving me, which I never doubt about. So sad. And it is even harder for me to escape. I am so deeply trapped by the guilty of leaving her and setting up boundary with her, and create my own life and happiness. She is crying everything when she saw me saying she is lonely, and no one cares her. Actually, everyone in the family scare of her craziness. I feel bad to “abonbdent her” but my coach was telling me , she would use the word of “ escape rather than abonbdent . Thank you Michelle Piper for all the information to this topic, with the deep knowledge, I could get true understanding of what is going on in my suffering life. No matter how hard I worked and how excellent I am, I am still deeply desperately sad and hopeless. I donot even know why. Give everything I suffered a name make me step away from hurt and grow my own life and health and happiness. Thank you so much for your kindness and generous help. Will share the information to more people in need. You really help me a lot !!! Great many many thanks to you and your care for us.

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Anonymous December 3, 2017 at 1:38 pm

Oh I understand my mothers behavior alright ..and my fathers … Use my ex … And use connections to Garland pd … Have garland pd dect follow my ex to court .. Have him claim he hadn’t seen the kids in 3o days .. Have a full custodial parent thrown in jail chArged with interference . So my Nartistic mother and father can play let’s legally harras while she’s in jail come up with a diag that will help us in court take the kids .. Here we care and are so worried … We will stick the mom in a dark dangerous place until she complies to our wishes to take meds … In the mean time we need her sister to claim her ex hit her with in the eyes and locked her in the closet for three days and burnt the kids with cigs … And promise her a house for helping stealing her kids .. Because our daughter dosent desever kids … I according to them my sister deseves a house for helping them .. Because as this was unfolding guess who didn’t need that house and needed a 4 bedroom house in Denton ??? 1 room for them and 1 for each one of the our kids … My mother deseves jail time …. My mother would participate in any type of abuse to get what she wanted …

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Anonymous December 3, 2017 at 2:25 pm

Cont …and here it is now I know Garland pd knows my father and he has had several I counters with his temper towards women ..and My ex will resort to abuse .. My mothers job is denial and go along claiming bipolar … That’s her functioning role … So in order for my ex…to not pick up the kids lie and claim he didn’t see them because of me have me thrown in jail .. And my parents to claim I need bipolar meds .. To get out .. And to give a house to my sister .. To spread stuff about Dan claiming I’m to bipolar to remember giving her a house .. Because they needed a 4 bedroom house in denton .. One bedroom for each of my kids … So what did both sides need … Graciously and volunteering a report for either side the dect wrote … CPS and pd were called for no reason by the mother …. Wasn’t that gracious of that detective to put a calling protection … Didn’t she accually know … If you write a report to take custody from the custodial parent … And have to include she called pd and CPS for no reason you know your giving the kids to abusive folks …

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Anonymous December 9, 2017 at 10:08 am

Serious family scapegoating … Is abuse that will someday lead you into a felony 2 court staring at a judge .. After you .. Are charged with Interfernce with Child Custody . With the complaints ..all on the prosecution side … Folks whom want custody .. But didn’t have it … Fron the family court … So decided to scapegoat on the full custodial parent … Charge her with interfernce with child custody … Witness the non custodial father .. Non custodial sister .. Whom turned in false claims prior to get custody .. And non custodial Grandparents … Whom decided to violate there daughters civil rights with claims she needed bipolar meds so the state would remove custody …
All parties hiding behind a wrongful inditement … With a 9 year olds name on it…
Now they all want to scapegoat on him … Transfer there crap to a 9 year old …
That’s the way these Nartictic scapegoaters work ….

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Anonymous December 28, 2017 at 3:15 pm

Warning – this is long! It was written more for my own mental health than anything else. Proceed with caution!

It’s great to find your site! I’ve read a lot about the topic of narcissistic mothers, always trying to make some sense of my relationship with my own narcissistic mother so I am glad to have found you. I am 62 and my mother is now 84 – it’s been a long haul. We have been in and out of contact my entire adult life. I’ve been in therapy intermittently for as long. I have yet to figure out how to make a relationship with my mother work. Unfortunately my mother hates women so we were doomed from the beginning. She loves men though! Even my husband – my husband and I laugh that we are sure she thinks she will be his next wife if I die first. She was like this as far back as my high school dates – flirty and provocative with boys coming to take me out when I was 17! After our most recent estrangement of a a couple of years, I committed once again, three years ago, to make an effort for a reconciliation in order to ease the tension for my grown children. She had pointedly remained in contact with them when we were estranged, although she rarely has little interest in them, in order to continue to hurt me, and I had a lot of guilt at all they had to put up with from her – ongoing emails and calls from her about how all she wanted was to talk to her daughter and she is getting older and I was treating her so horribly by not being in her life, blah, blah, blah, poor pitiful me. At any suggestion from my kids that she should call me and offer an olive branch to make things right, she had a million excuses why she would not make that effort. Not once in my life have I heard her say that perhaps she has made some mistakes that contribute to our poor relationship. So as always happens, I swallowed my pride and against my better judgment, reached out to her to reconcile. I was committed to keeping firm boundaries this time in order to make it work, knowing that if I opened the door too wide, I would be asking for her to swoop in and hurt me. That worked for a couple of years and I felt amazingly content with the way things were going. We didn’t see each other more than once every couple of months, we talked on the phone every couple of weeks. She actually seemed to be respecting me and the boundaries I had set in place. Then her health began failing, she began to want more and more from me, my step-father – a great guy but her enabler – ended up in the hospital because of her manipulation to get attention (long but true, sad story.) So we began a year of working together to transition them from their huge two-story home to a retirement center. I spent hours and hours and many weekends viewing facilities, measuring furniture, returning calls to her most every day on my way home from work, attempting to find the right place for them and to keep up enough encouragement so that she wouldn’t change her mind about moving. It became my second job but I figured it would be much better to invest the time and effort in getting them into a place where she could live alone if my step-dad went first than wait for a crisis and possibly end up having her live with me. After a year, it finally came down to the week when my parents were to list their house and sign a lease on an apartment in a retirement complex. My mother had postponed having the real estate agent over to sign a listing agreement several times but said that she was finally ready to do it. I laid low for several days waiting to hear how things were progressing and with each passing day that she didn’t call, I began to understand that she had no intention of moving. After a year of constant conversation about this move and a week of hearing nothing from her, I received an email from her that simply said my stepdad did not want to make the move but he wanted to know if I would take care of her should something happen to him first. I knew this was utter b.s. as I’m close to my stepdad and he was emotionally and physically prepared to move out of the house. My husband said all along that she wouldn’t move because I am her old-age plan – it is her goal to move in with me. I responded to my mother’s email immediately and said I had never heard my step-dad say anything negative about moving so, “I would like to come talk to both of you about this as staying in your house until a crisis arrives is a serious mistake.” Of course, I also wanted to set the record straight and tell them both that should something happen to my stepdad first, my mother cannot move in with me. She didn’t respond to my email, of course. I then called her. My stepdad answered and I heard her tell him to tell me she was busy. After a few more days of silence, I emailed them both and asked if my husband and I could come visit, bring them dinner and talk about their decision to remain in their home. My mother didn’t respond but my stepdad, a gem of a guy, wrote that he would love to have us and we agreed on a time. When we arrived, dinner in hand, my mother was livid. She wouldn’t allow me to hug her, wouldn’t make eye contact and she had been drinking – a hobby she has only taken up in the last few years. She has also been addicted to pain pills for as long as I can remember so the combo of booze and pills makes her a very ugly drunk. She had ambushed the evening by getting loaded, prohibiting any serious conversations. And why was she so angry with me? Because I dared to point out that her excuse that it was my stepdad who wouldn’t move was b.s. Because of calling her out, she became so angry with me that she cast me aside just like that. She sees any iota of questioning her about anything – from the color she is painting her kitchen to more important decisions – as a serious personal attack. We suffered through an uncomfortable couple of hours that evening, tried ineffectively to talk to her about the need to move to a safer environment and told them both that they need to understand that my husband and I still work and we cannot take her into our home should something happen to my dad. I followed up with an email to my stepdad saying that she clearly doesn’t want to move so I will back off but if he can ever convince her, I’m here to help them. I also reiterated that she cannot ever move in with me so he needs to know that cannot be her plan. That was two months ago and it is as if I am dead to her now. My husband, a very sweet, peace-making kind of guy, says that the ball is in her court now and I need to let it lie as I did everything I could to help her. I received a Christmas card from her last week – it was unsigned. Her pettiness never takes a vacation. I emailed both my mom and stepdad and said i wondered if she intended not to sign the Christmas card. I also said that I’m always here if she would like to try again, all she has to do is call me. A few days later, a second Christmas card arrived. There was a note from my stepdad saying it was his fault the card wasn’t signed as he was supposed to have her inspect them before he mailed it – always her enabler. There was also a note from my mother saying “I love you and I look forward to talking to you soon I hope.” Just a little hocus pocus to put the ball back in my court because hell will freeze over before she makes any effort to rectify the relationship with her daughter. Oh yes and of her three children, she currently isn’t speaking to two of us. The third is the golden children who is the only heir – her choice – but he and his wife are pros at remaining passively unengaged as far as my aging parents’ care. I’m the only one of the three of us emotionally or intellectually capable of caring for anyone else and my mom knows it. It’s sad but I intend to stand my ground and I’ve put both my brothers on notice – I won’t take her in should she find herself a widow. And another merry Christmas with the narcissistic mother who is truly incapable of loving anyone more than herself. Thanks for a platform to vent. I actually feel much better and plan to have a glass of wine and enjoy my husband this evening! Tomorrow is another day for trying, and failing, to make sense of this mess.

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Ken December 31, 2017 at 7:07 pm

After 40 years of putting up with my own NM, I decided it was best to finally go no contact.
The guilt overwhelmed me at times, wondering to myself, “How could I turn my back on the very person who had given me life? And how would I reconcile my religious faith with the decision I had made?” I’d already been in and out of therapy and on and off medications for depression and panic disorder. However, the therapy was much-needed to help me deal with the many years of abuse while growing up as well as having it continue well into my adult years.

It took about 2 or 3 years to finally put to rest the feelings of guilt and to reconcile my spiritual faith with the choice I’d made. However, anger set in for a couple more years. The anger arose out of realization that I would never have the relationship with my parents that ALL children SHOULD have! I was also angry with myself for having bought all her lies and manipulative behaviors for so many years, and also angry because my relationship with my youngest brother (golden child) is forever lost due to her lies and manipulation and making him believe that I was the one responsible for trying to tear apart the family unit. But after I got through this stage…..something wonderful happened.

I came across this blog and read all the stories from all the others who’ve written in to share their experiences. It was the missing piece I’d been waiting for! I finally had a reason and a name for the reason why NM is the way that she is! It brought me closure. And it helped to read the stories from so many others….it made me feel less alone and to realize that this must be a world-wide issue that transcends cultural lines.

In short, I’ve healed. So much so, that I have chosen to forgive my mother for what she’s done. I realize that she herself must’ve been abused and neglected as a child too! But it really isn’t a good excuse to unleash hell upon her children, spouse, friends, neighbors, etc. We are all responsible and accountable for our own actions, after all! I’m still no contact with her, except at the rare family functions…weddings, funerals, graduations. And even during those functions, the contact is very brief and I give her no details of my life whatsoever. To keep her forgiven, it must remain this way. I do love her, but I can only do so if we remain apart. The hell she must live with inside her own mind!! The amount of energy she expends dreaming up her lies and schemes!! All the different behind-the-scenes scenarios that she carefully plans out while puppeteering everyone else….it must be totally exhausting and drain every ounce of her spirit. But I’m not the one to answer for that…she is! I have my own flaws to deal with.

My life has gone well since I learned to heal and went no-contact. I like it this way. It’s much better this way. I no longer am a representation of all that was wrong with her. I am no longer a representation of her bad parenting. I feel sorry for her for another reason as well….because when she dies, I am suspecting that there won’t be many people attending her funeral. And for those who do, I suspect half of them will feel a sense of relief, rather than feeling a loss. To think someone could live out an entire lifetime and have it end that way….it truly is a very sad situation! She could’ve been so much more that she is/was. Life was meant to be lived with love and happiness and acquiring wisdom along the way and becoming more mellow with age and enjoying children and grandchildren. But for her, the total opposite is true. It’s a sad way to end a lifetime, don’t you think?

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Jane January 8, 2018 at 6:18 am

Hi Ken,

I also have gone ‘no contact’ for the past 9 years with my mother after an eruption on Christmas Day 2008 over the phone and a very predictable ‘next contact’ a few months later on Mothers Day, an email from her lamenting about how ungrateful me and my brother were (my sis is the golden child).

In response, I emailed back a list of a few of the more memorable facts and events of how she ruined my life, destroyed my reputation, manipulated and controlled the household etc.etc. and I had the cheek to mention the occasion when I was 19, when she physically attacked me – punching, beating and kicking me, having dragged me to the ground by my hair. To defend myself from her kicking (she had shoes on and was kicking me in the ribs), I stretched out my hand to try to grab her ankle and block it, but missed and instead caught the edge of her skirt. She kicked so hard that the buttons flew off.

Although I didnt realize it at the time, my father was downstairs in the house and did nothing, probably in his mind, allowing her to “discipline” me. She later told him that I had ripped the buttons of her skirt, without mentioning the context – i.e. that she did it herself, while making me out to be some sort of sexual pervert who would rip the buttons off of her poor mother’s skirt, which was extremely humiliating for me. Just 1 of the 000s of lies and twisted truths she maliciously spread about me, destroying my reputation and friendships and all family ties.

I have gone through decades of sadness, soul searching, looking for answers and it was only when I came across Jon Ronson’s Ted Talk – I could’t believe it – he was describing my mother to a T.

Her usual modus operandi after a falling-out was to ignore a person for 5 years and then establish communication again – she had done this several times already with me and her own brother. I dont know who else she did this to. But, lo and behold, after the 5 years were up, she was calling me again, as if we were best buddies…

Thankfully, mobile phones had evolved and I could block her calls and I have not spoken to her since.

My therapist asked me how it made me feel to have blocked her on my phone? “Great – at last I am now in control and she cant just rattle my cage whenever she decides to.” But it is much more importantly than that – I cannot ever again let her disturb my mental health – it is really a matter of life and death at this stage, the stress is so extreme.

I wish I had left home and broken all contact much earlier than I did, but dealing with the effects of a person like this from birth makes you extremely vulnerable and unwilling to add to your perceived risks – poverty, loneliness, depression. You’re entire understanding of reality is totally distorted and the world is a very hostile place.

Then, about 3 years ago she wrote a letter of apology! At first it really confused me! Psychopaths NEVER apologise…unless they want something. And then it hit me. My father had told me some years earlier that she had a copy of the 48Laws of Power on her bed side table (the summarized version – which makes sense as she would want this info in short form) and Chapter 11 is guess what…The Tactic of Surrender.

It’s a letter she could use in several ways – to show (to my father or whoever else might need to be manipulated) that she had “apologised” and therefore I was the bastard; or if I had responded, it could be a competitive ploy to show she was better because she was now in communication with me unlike the other members of the family (they sided with her and her rage and fury at my original email – my father calling me a liar etc. and my sister, the golden girl saying at the time that she wouldn’t even read my email, on which I had copied her).

And the funny thing was the contents of her letter – that she was sorry for what she had done, just 1 sentence – no mention of what that was exactly and then she went on immediately to wave complete absolution for herself stating that she was young when she had me and did the best she could. No she didn’t. I have lived a life of appalling abuse and neglect, behind closed doors, with no one to save me. I had no support whatsoever. She was able to present to the world an image of a happy family, with herself as the beautiful, charming and intelligent, highly successful mother/wife, occasionally with 2 ungrateful brats (of course excluding my sister), telling her own mother, my grandmother that she wished it was just herself, my father and my sister. I was 9 at the time she had this phone conversation and I was used on a daily basis as a baby sitter, walker (to give her some peace, I was told to go for several hours pushing my sister in her pram) and nappy changer, but never to feed my baby sister – that was her domain.

So Ken, I am glad you are finding relief. It is tempting, as a decent human being to want to act with integrity and honor, to reestablish contact. And if you got in contact with your mother again, you would probably be welcomed with open arms – afterall, you would provide a great topic to be discussed by her with her friends. But it would dull within a short time, you would become devalued again and that is the point you would realize your mistake. People like these never change. They don’t want to because they think they’re wonderful – cheating, lying, stealing, manipulating in their minds is all part of the game of life – they win, you lose and if you get hurt in the process, oh well, it’s all part of the game, right?. They would love it if you didn’t take it personally, and just accept whatever they decide to dish out. They have no conscience. They are extremely dangerous to society like a hidden cancer, quietly hovering in the shadows, ready to pounce whenever the opportunity presents itself, so they can delight in their own brilliance and enjoy the feeling of control when they see you reeling from the consequences and the damage they’ve be able to inflict.

The right thing to do, is to protect yourself. When I was 26, at the time with no contact with her for 2 years, my mother’s best friend came to me – he told me that in the 2 years I had had no contact with her, that I’d had no option but to get as far away as I possibly could and never go back. By this stage he was one of the very few people who understood who she was and he had come to really REALLY hate her. He said that it would only be when she reached old age, really old age that “her fire would die” and as he spoke even he came to the realization that even then, she would probably never change, apart from being weakened and needing an adjusted strategy to get her needs met. At his funeral about 6 months later, she was sitting with my father, quietly wiping the tears from her eyes. Little did she realize the conversation I’d had!

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Jane January 9, 2018 at 2:36 am

Just an update – after writing the post above, I spent the night ruminating about my mother’s antics and the attack when I was 19. I have long since forgotten the trigger, what had set her off, was it something I said? Must have been.

Then, just before I got up this morning I suddenly realized why the attack happened…

It wasn’t anything I had done or said, it was the timing. The attack happened on the first Friday in September, 31 years ago, the Friday before the Monday when I was due to start my first real job (prior to that I had worked for her, my father and a short time for myself, very unsuccessfully) – it was all about control – not wanting to lose control and re-establishing that she was top dog.

It was so bad at the time that the following day I looked for somewhere else to live and I moved out with a small suitcase the day after that (Sunday). Both of my parents were reading their newspapers at the time and I said I was leaving and goodbye. Neither of them took their eyes off their newspapers and just said “Yes, goodbye…see ya” and I quietly walked out!

The following morning she was waiting for me…outside my new place of work. As I arrived she called me and told me to get into her car. Seeing her was overwhelming and I was in floods of tears. We had a short conversation and I was so upset, sobbing uncontrollably, she even offered me a cigarette so I could calm down – this was probably the only motherly instinct she had towards me!. Unfortunately I agreed to go back home – BIG mistake. She told me sometime later that I had looked terrible the morning of my first day at work because my face was red and swollen from so many tears. Just what you need to hear when you transition to adult life and need to create a good impression at your workplace.

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Ken February 21, 2018 at 10:00 am

Hi Jane!

I went through similar things as well. My mother was highly abusive, physically, mentally, spiritually. There were times that she’d tell my father, her friends and any family relatives that I would attack her for no reason. She never mentioned the fact that she’s bent me over backwards over countertops and various other surfaces and was beating my face with her fists and would oftentimes knock the eyeglasses right off my face while swearing at me and calling me vulgar names. For me, hitting her back was part of the “flight or fight response”. So many times it felt as though my life was in imminent danger that I was driven to violence against her to make the scenes stop. I can remember being asked several times by family relatives and by a couple of her “friends” if I’d actually attacked her. When I told them the truth….all but 1 of them had said things to the effect that they kind of figured things happened the way I said they did. So even though she always presented herself as the perfect mother, wife, homemaker….people knew that things weren’t always what she tried to make them appear to be.

She loved it when people would compliment her on well-behaved her 4 sons were. She just soaked all that praise up like a sponge. Yet, when we were alone with her, with no other eyes or ears to see or hear her, things were drastically different. She was definitely a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Thing is, she knew how to behave herself when others were around. And only was abusive when no one was looking. There were many fights and arguments during my younger adult years with her. She believed that she didn’t do anything wrong and that any discipline was normal and dished out like every other household across the globe! She always tried to make me feel that I was making things up in my head. She didn’t like me going to counseling with a therapist because she was convinced that all I was doing there was telling lies and spreading poison about our family and that I should stop going immediately!

She always said, “I know we’ve had our differences in the past, but just know that I’m your mother and I love you, even if you don’t think so.” That statement would make me feel so much guilt over the feelings of anger I harbored against her, that I would eventually fold and give into her. A tactic that I finally learned to break when I turned 40 years old. There was still guilt a few years after I went no-contact, so I had to keep convincing myself of the fact that each time I’d ever caved into that tactic, things would always go back to the way that they always were.

My father was her enabler. And he was also one of her whipping posts as well! After so many years of marriage, he still won’t leave her. He will even defend her when he truly knows that she’s wrong! It’s become a reflex for him to just run to her rescue, even when he can plainly see that she’s either the perpetrator of situations or is just plainly wrong on all counts. He is a drone. Her minion. When he knows the real truth, he still believes her lies. He’s grown cold and bitter through the years and has become very distant. She controls him. And now she’s got him where she’s always wanted him…..alone and away from family and friends and has no reason to spend time or attention with anyone else but her and her alone!

40 years of her abuse and put-downs and manipulations took a heavy toll on my life. I spent those 40 years making all the wrong choices, based upon trying to make her happy and winning her approval. The approval never came. Her happiness is short-lived and is oftentimes elusive. All those years I spent doubting myself and even questioning my own sanity. But I came to my senses and have learned to live without her. Other than brief and rare family events where I have no choice but to acknowledge her presence, I really have stayed away and I am all the happier for it!

The terrible things that she said and did to 2 of my 3 other brothers were just as bad. She told one of my brothers that she never should’ve had him. She’d even threaten him when we were small children that she’d put him in a foster home. Even now as adults, the 3 of us brothers do love each other….but we’re just not close as we should be. And the baby of the family has nothing to do with me. He’s the golden child who’s always had it different and had all the opportunities showered upon him. So he sees our family life and upbringing much differently. That being said, it’s no small wonder why he has had no contact with me since the last time I ever saw him on Christmas Day 2005. He has refused any contact with me since then and about 4 years ago, so I just finally gave up having any kind of hope of having a relationship with him again.

But I have healed since I went no contact. So much so, that I have forgiven her. She feels she’s got nothing to be forgiven for, and that’s ok with me. I know I’ve forgiven her and that’s all I need to know in my heart. She’s the one who has made a lifetime of enemies out of friends, neighbors, relatives and even strangers. She has a lifetime of grievous injuries that she’s committed against other people with her lies, gossip and manipulations. And I am certain that very few will ever show up to her funeral when she dies, and even then….some will feel a sense of relief that she’s gone rather than feeling a loss.

When I think about the possible amounts of energy and brain power that she wastes dreaming up her lies and schemes instead of enjoying family and friends and mellowing with age, it just astounds me! The chaos that must be running through her mind each and every day of her life had got to be nothing short of insanity! For a person to live her entire adult life and to have it end without love and peace and having made a lifetime of enemies, it is very saddening. Life was never meant to be lived that way. I actually feel sorry for her for these reasons. It’s not a life I’d want for myself or for anyone else. But sadly, I feel this is the way her life will end….with little to no love and with more of a sense of relief among those she leaves behind and very little sense of loss when she’s buried.

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Michelle January 3, 2018 at 5:31 pm

My father enabled by mother s narcissistic behavior and deeply resented me and my twin brother as a result . My brother was the golden child- he hates that phrase – but I now realize it was a Golden noose and ironically I am the less conflicted sibling. When our dad died we went to counseling to try and create some bonds as we have not had any real communication for 41 years ( from college on) I have forgiven my mother – she is who she is- but my brother is still very angry at her . Not healthy.

My mother screwed up a lot of decades of my life interfering in it but I was able to break free and for the last 20 years I am happy and remarried to a balanced person. My first husband was very much like my mother – brilliant, cold, manipulative and only when I had a break down did I dig myself out of this hole to
A better life.

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Linda January 4, 2018 at 9:10 pm

Me the Scapegoat – January 2018

A mother that never hugged me ever. A mother who handed me over to my Sister to mother and boss me. I was never allowed to be myself. A mother who wasn’t interested when I had nightmares after being verbally abused by a teacher at school. A mother who rejected me in the middle of the night, aged 15years, when I was petrified of dying. My sister had to teach me the therapy for getting rid of the shaking, which I experienced every night for quite a long time. A mother when we were playing a quiz on television and I got the maths question correct. I said I was good at maths at school, said to me my sister was the one good at maths. A mother who was jealous if her daughters/sons socialised without her (There were nine of us). She would use her children to divide and rule, it was horrible. A mother who never ever listened to what you had to say, if she did would follow up with one-up-man-ship. She always complained that we caused her to have heart palpitations (think Mrs Bennett, Pride and Prejudice), and she was always going to leave us. she is now 94 years old and takes pride in the fact that her doctor says she has a heart of a young woman.
My sister recently apologised for an incident that happened when we were very young. I was invited to be a flower girl in the Church parade for Easter, (I think I was about 7/8) I was so excited, but my Mum’s friend suggested that my sister would make a better flower girl, my mother agreed and told me she was going to do it and not me. My sister remembers that I cried for a week every night. My poor sister told me she had lived with that for years and I was able to reassure her that I had forgotten about it and it wasn’t her fault she was only a child. (I didn’t forget).
My mother told me that another friend of hers told her I was the ugliest baby, my mother said she defended me, But what I don’t understand is why my mother would tell me that story.
A mother who would goad my Dad to hit me and my sister for giggling. Dad used to come up and apologise after with a 3pence bit. I remember my dad hugging me. In the summer holidays I would be packed off with my Dad at work and I loved it.
When I lived overseas, my mother phoned me twice in 15 years, to tell me some bad news and how it had affected her and not because she wondered how I was. Come to think of it even in England, it was the only time she contacted me. I phoned her regularly.
I invited my mum and step dad to us for News Year’s Eve and she explained that they like to stay at home because others visited. I fully understood and said we would pop up. Then my sister who lived 5 minutes from me asked me to her house on New Year’s Eve and said that Mum and Fred were coming.
When I was staying with my mother, I had just separated from my second cheating husband and she told me I wasn’t the only one with problems. I only cried once in front of her and it was so awkward I never did it again. When I left her house she told me I should have opened up more. Hahahahaha
I went out with my brother and his wife and when he told her she reacted badly. My golden child sister had the cheek to ring my brother and say that mum was in tears because they took me out.
I rang my mother and she spoke to me with total disrespect and after our conversation I said Love you lots and she didn’t answer. I ignored it and rang again the next week, her voice was clipped and I let it go, but again I said Love you lots and she didn’t answer. When I rang back and confronted her, she told me I was childish and put the phone down on me. What a wonderful woman, always nasty to me when no one is there to witness it.
I keep quiet about my mother’s attitude and nastiness to me, (but I do have three siblings that acknowledge my mother is a narcissist and have suffered too), because she is an old women and the overwhelming feelings of most people is that mothers are always sweet and lovable, well I and a lot of other people I make contact with always know different. We know that it must be kept mainly to ourselves, but I love contacting them, because they understand and do not judge me.
On her birthday I sent a rose bush for her garden, I tracked the delivery and realised it was lost. The company apologised and I asked my brother to tell he what happened. The next day the rose bush was delivered, but she didn’t ring me. I rang her and she was very abrupt and said “We didn’t believe that anyone would send a single rose”,(we being my mother and my Golden child sister) I knew then that my sister was sticking the knife in with my mother and I had never run her down to my mother. I did provide proof of the non-delivery. Not even an apology.
TIME TO GO NO CONTACT
I needed to heal properly from two broken marriages. I had therapy for two years which identified a lot in my life. I was able to look at the guilt I carried, especially for my children and I learnt that it was not my guilt to carry and to heal I must let it go.
In the last couple of weeks of NC, I feel like me again and I know I am strong. Although I will always worry about my adult children and I don’t burden them with my problems. They must sense something is wrong and I would never tell them the truth and hurt them.
I now see from a distance the Queen with all her minions arguing and fighting to gain her attention and I had forgotten how bad it has always been as she pitted each sibling against each other. Imagine having to compete with 8 siblings for some sort of attention, it was hell.
My bad childhood was not my fault and I do know that now. Everyone looks on my family as being great because we are so good at projecting my mother’s wish that she be seen as a sort of Wonder Woman. The truth is like a lot of families, there are lots of secrets and lies. I would be a whistle blower and a speaker of truths, therefore I am outside of the family and I have to admit I am now very proud of that fact. At least my integrity will remain intact.
My sister was determined to have a relationship with my daughter (she only had boys). She rang me once and thanked me for letting her have my daughter, I was so incensed. I was always made to feel inferior and it was narcissistic abuse and I fully recognise it now, a lot of gas lighting going on as I believed them. Even my daughter tells me how beautiful my sister was, but I now know beauty is not a talent, but a DNA lottery, beauty is within and because of what I suffered, I am strong and independent and I think that is a kind of earned beauty.
I have had two failed marriages, both cheated on me numerous times, I have a lousy instinct for choosing the right men, I must have been such a pushover, I always thought I didn’t deserve better.
I now know that I shall live and die alone, because I shall always have to protect myself and I am frightened I won’t recognise the narcissism again. I know I am basically a good person with lots of faults, but I would not intentionally hurt anyone. I should not have had such bad treatment in my life.
I have good friends who help me be me and enjoy my company for me alone. This is so important, as it gives me confidence. I still have friends from my childhood and from overseas, so I can’t be that bad a person.
Since first writing this, I did make contact with my mother again as she needed us to help her, as she had a fall. We had a schedule so it was only once a week. This was all fine until she didn’t need me anymore. This Christmas day, I rang her and my Golden child sister was with her as she was taking her out for dinner, although my brother invited her to his house. She found out he asked me and my son over for dinner and when I rang her she was very clipped in her replies to my Happy Christmas and my son was sitting next to me and witnessed my reaction. I was so hurt, we had taken lovely presents to her Christmas Eve and she didn’t even thank us for them. I have become the scape goat again. She needed help on Boxing Day with visitors, so I had an apology from her and helped her, but she was nasty to me again in front of my sister in law. I can’t stand the drama and feel I am on the rollercoaster again. I’m in two minds what to do next, I think NC is probably best, but the guilt is awful.
Linda

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julie May 11, 2018 at 3:01 pm

hi Linda. I cried while reading your post because somehow I went through the same thing and I am a scapegoat myself. My relationship with my mother is getting better when I decided to break off the toxic relationship with her. I called her out on her bad behavior with respect by just telling her the facts and how I feel.. It’s very difficult at first because she would attacked me, cried or called my sister, brothers to say how bad a daughter I am. But it seems to work for me and my mom is less verbal abusive toward me. I feel really bad for my brothers are still living under her control. My sister is the golden child and my mom likes to going out with her. I still see my mother weekly and I accept the fact that she won’t change. I know my boundary with her and remind myself won’t feed into her drama. The worst fear for me is if i ever becoming a bad mother myself even my son, my husband, his family, my friends, my therapist say I am a wonderful mother. I bought parenting books and going to therapist when I can effort just to make sure I know how to do what best for my son. Yes, the guilt and self doubt are awful. Thanks for sharing your story Linda.

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Anonymous January 11, 2018 at 2:23 pm

I have often wondered how women become NMs and there seems to be an acceptance on forums and in books, that they suffered themselves – from neglect, abuse etc.

In the case of my own NM, this is not the case. My maternal grandmother had her first baby who later died around the age of 6 months. I remember my grandmother telling me about this, in tears and how, when my mother came along, she was completely over the moon, thrilled at her stunningly beautiful child with blond hair and blue eyes (my grandmother wasn’t at all good-looking).

My grandmother spoiled my mother to the hilt, told her she was the most beautiful, most talented, most intelligent child in the world. And my mother lapped up every word – she even told me that she actually believed she was a wonderful singer and was hoping someone would spot her impressive talent.

My father often said that my mother was the way she was because her mother had been so over the top with her fantastical praise.

So, in her case at least, I think my NM is has become supremely arrogant and contemptuous, thinks everyone is jealous of her (she’s told me I’m jealous of her) because she believes to her core that she is better than anyone else could ever be. None of the rules apply as she’s the ‘special one,’ is totally self-absorbed, aggressive when she doesn’t get her way, publicly presents an air of civility but is anything but and perfectly fits most of the descriptions of having NPD.

To forgive her on the basis that she’s had her own difficulties would be tantamount to saying all of the abuse and damage she has inflicted is not her fault, she just couldn’t help herself. I will NEVER EVER accept this (even if she’d been abused herself, does NOT give her the right to abuse others) and I will never forgive her on this basis.

What I am prepared to forgive is the debt she owes me – the stinginess and meanness with which I had to survive, buying even my own school shoes, having virtually no clothes, going to school in wet underwear because I had to wash it myself the night before because I didn’t have enough. And when I said I wanted to go to college she almost shouted “ABSOLUTELY NOT” in the strictest tones imaginable. She had never shown any generosity, except to the golden child (who went to a very expensive private school and a top college) and to her friends and strangers she was quite generous.

When I moved out of home, she gave me nothing. When I got married and she came to the wedding with father, we got nothing.

She has defrauded me out of tens of thousands of dollars (thats a long story) and she has no qualms in selling me something so she can make a profit. And because I’m her daughter…there is no discount (the may even be a surcharge)!

I forgive the debt as she will never pay it back and I would never waste my time trying to collect, even though I have had recourse to sue her, it was not worth the mind games and head wrecking it would have entailed. Whenever I have brought this up in the past, she would start screeching which would make me stop immediately.

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Elisabeth January 12, 2018 at 10:54 pm

I found the video very helpful. I am interested in downloading the e-book.

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anon January 14, 2018 at 12:41 pm

Narcissism and Me

I have learnt through my experiences including going to counselling that I grew up with a Narcissistic parent which damaged me and my perceptions, I too developed narcissism and have had to work really hard to understand how to see the world and to start thinking in a more realistic way.

Narcissism is thought to be a product of sexual abuse whether it is the parent who is abused and then passing on narcissistic behaviour down to their children but the path leads back to abuse. It creates a fear of intimacy.

My experiences growing up with a narcissist meant I searched out people showing these traits, as it was what I knew and felt familiar with. The tragedy is that because my mother been abused as a child her intimacy channels are completely confused as their trust for a supposed safe member of the family has completely been diminished. She only told me in later life. So they are in the position they never can trust anyone or experience intimate relationships.

This manifests itself in relationships where the narcissist make the person in a relationship with them feel like they are their one and only person in the world that understands them ( often using manipulative terms like you on they same wave length as me, we think the same,) this feeds the other persons insecurities then they feel they are the most special person in their life. The person feels really close to the narcissist and feels their relationship is special and lets them get away with behavior they would not tolerate in others, so as not to damage or lose this very special relationship. They actually they feel they have become allies against the world. The narcissist often does this with their own children also often dividing to rule each of them separately. Saying things about one to the other in order to rule the roast with total power. It makes each child the special one and gives them delusions of grandeur, whilst keeping the child’s security constantly ill at ease.

Because of this relationship they perpetrate they can wield hurt with a big blow. So any dispute with the parent will devastate the child and will turn child into a parent pleaser to remain the special one. The fear of emotional separation creates a massive anxiety in the children.
I was not the golden child and I challenged my mother as I grew up she hated this. She had a very engaging personality and everyone told me how lucky I was to have her.
In a way I was as it was not her fault she was a narcissist she had been abused by her father,
She told me I could not do things I rebelled and constantly proved her wrong, she gave me drive to prove myself to her.

If you visited her and had major things going on in your life it would always disappear in her presence as she had a way of making your world to be insignificant. I would turn up via the back door and she would be slagging me off to the golden child on the telephone and then swear black was white that she had not. She was very funny and clever. I have worked so hard on this and understand her as her life was tough. I now have love for her she has passed and I cared for her just before she passed she said ” I know I have been hard on you I am sorry, you are a good person”, this shocked me as I did not realize she was aware.

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Margarette January 15, 2018 at 2:42 am

I am crying hysterically..every one fits my mom
She has almost destroyed me to where I was going to co..mittee suiside..she. Has tryed setting me up…she has stole from me.she is cruel and sick. To me .she viciously lied about me. Sppened.she was almost run over by a woman for baving sex wkth her husband s tryed having sex with my husband she took no Intrest in .me she told people I am a criminal I been arressted etc .none happened…Durning birthdays and Christmas she let me sit and watch everybody open present..and my gift was to clean up the mess..she is now a psychotic delereous demensia.kt sad but she see me and tells me she is going to get me.like satan advesary

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Anonymous January 24, 2018 at 10:56 am

I am the elder brother and have a sister. 14 year age gap between us. My parents had an arranged marriage and were at loggerheads from the start. My father always complained about my mother and my mother always complained about my father. Slowly I was brainwashed into unconditionally supporting may father and my sister was brainwashed into supporting my mother.

My mother invested a lot of time and energy in breaking this “bond” between me and my father as she felt threatened. I turned into being a scapegoat. My wife and I looked after them for 35 years even though they live 7,000 miles away bringing them over for heart bypass surgeries, angioplasties,hernia operations, knee replacements, providing medications, etc,etc and visiting them periodically every year. My sister was nowhere in the picture during this time.

A little taste of what transpired over the years:
1. 3 years ago my sister told me off that it was abhorrent the way I have been looking after my parents who are now in their late 80’s. (They moved here a few years ago.) It dawned on me that my parents had been constantly complaining to my sister and friends about how we were looking after them. (being respectful, my wife and I have always stayed silent towards all emotional and verbal abuse).
2. My parents one day told me that I was an unwanted child. They were divorcing early into their marriage and found out that she was expecting! So they decided to stick it out and that is why they had me. All right, fair enough. I just happened to get stuck in the middle!
3. My father always reminds me of how much he spent on my education and wedding bill and that I should have done something else with my career. (I have an MBA from Schulich). Constantly reminding me of all the things that he has done for me. So, what he did was a favour and what I do is for them is my duty! Not a level playing field. Fair enough.
4. I am always being reminded how my sister is so caring and looks after them so well. I would visit them often and they would just sit there giving my wife and I the silent treatment.

Well, my wife and I kept company with many sincere friends some being in the medical professions. After many discussions we both realized I had a sociopathic mother and a narcissistic father. Time to take action. Started getting verbally abusive phone calls from parents. Began to dread when the phone would ring with their number. Started reading up a lot of psychological articles on the dynamics of these kind of relationships.

Took me 35 years to realize the true dynamics of what was really happening. Get ready. Mentally prepare yourself. Is this worth it? Is the emotional stress and abuse taking a toll in our lives? YES. Examine every aspect and the possible repercussions.

2 years ago went NO CONTACT. Willing to accept any consequences as they were less stressful to deal with! As of today, NO CONTACT and the better for it. Still get phone calls asking for forgiveness,etc,etc but do not wish to get drained back into the swamp.

NO CONTACT. Period.

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Anonymous February 24, 2018 at 7:48 am

I have been through the rollercoaster for nearly 20 years of having a narcaisstic mother. It’s only in the past year or so we have realised she has NPD. My father has acted as a cushion for her all her life and is unfortunately in a horrible situation where if he suggests to her that she needs help they would end up in a huge argument between them. He knows that she has a major problem but is in a vicious circle, he either supports her, which what she wants as it reinforces that she is always right, or try and advise her to see someone, which as mentioned above would result in a huge argument. I know for a fact that she will never ever see anyone. We have also tried to tell her to seek advice but caused WW3.

I would be here for days typing stories of what has happened over the past 20 years, some worse than others but has become a ‘normal’ situation for me by now. This has happened several times and the latest incident has resulted in the tough decision of cutting all ties for nearly a year. We have 1 child and even she at nearly 2 years old can sense the horrible, toxic atmosphere. The main points that made us realise she had NPD were:

Never ever ever wrong
Will never say sorry
Always turns every story around to be focused on herself
Looks down on majority of people unless they are highly qualified
Has no sense of how to act normally in society
Extremely selfish, even when children are involved

We are going to try and re-establish some form of contact soon but I am not hopeful.

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Marion Schuller March 11, 2018 at 4:29 pm

I am 68 and my mother died 2 years ago. My first thought was: CRAP! Now I cant die, what if I run into her. I’d had no contact with her for 4 years before that. I broke all contact. My brother had died and mom informed me that the wrong child had died. I was done then. It never occurred to me she had NPD. I grew up with her after all and I thought she just didn’t like me very much. It showed in small (and later big) ways. My mother had run away from home (Australia) to marry a much older allied officer. They were married in Singapore and postwar moved back to Europe. She was a young woman who was unfamiliar with deprivation of any kind and in 1947 in Europe all the cupboards were very bare. And it was cold. I understood that, still do. Some of what she told me was exaggerated, some were outright lies. There were a lot of lies, which I discovered only after she died. Because of her actions my father’s family is unknown to me, my brother’s family despises me and I never knew any of my grandparents. I was not a good child for a narcissist. Independent from day one as I understand it and unwilling to buy into any BS. Much to my own detriment as I now see. But she has also managed considerable harm. I am not good with people, I don’t trust most of them and much prefer to be alone. I am an introvert and a reader. My father was a German camp survivor who escaped and made his way to England during the war and developed a howling case of PTSD later in life (although it is perhaps better to say he was less able to control it). All of which left me a bit mangled and solitary. Sometimes that grieves me.

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Kylie June 28, 2018 at 8:13 am

“My first thought was: CRAP! Now I cant die, what if I run into her”. I love that you have managed to maintain a solid sense of humour. It seems to me like a lonely life in which being an introvert has enabled you to be content with your own company 🙂

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Jacob March 15, 2018 at 9:18 am

I began this journey because I had a narcissist mother and I saw so many similarities in my wife. It is so painful emotionally, and a toxic environment, but that is all I knew. I ended up with emotional problems myself, and sought help. I can not write of all my experiences, it would be a book. Just not sure what to do or where to go. Good to see that others understand the experience.

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Chris June 11, 2018 at 6:17 am

Jacob, very sorry to hear what you are going through, I hope you are able to find someone close to talk through things, I’ve found that to be priceless support. My first wife followed all the tell-tale signs of the narcissism my mother showed through my child and adult life and the day I left my first wife was one of those special freedom moments when you realise you’re free to be you once again – it’s an unforgettable feeling. but one that’s more difficult to escape when it’s your own Mum – the bindings of the ‘I brought you into the world so you’ll always be MY son’ is a strong and difficult to shake emotion at the core of your being, for sure.

I’m very happy and lucky to say my wonderful second wife helped me see the narcissism I experienced (both then and now, through my sister and Mother) but I am attempting to go through the process of healing, I suspect it will involve stepping away from both sibling and mother/son relationships indefinitely so I can heal in my own time.

I wish you well in your journey. If sharing here helps, I’m really happy to do so.

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Anonymous April 4, 2018 at 11:20 pm

“Courage doesn’t happen when you have all the answers. It happens when you are ready to face the questions you have been avoiding your whole life.”

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Chris June 11, 2018 at 4:29 am

Delighted to have found this site and have read alot about this subject over the last 6-9months.
I have come to accept that my mother is a Narcissistic Mother, and what’s interesting to me (whilst deeply saddening) is the way the roles my two siblings and I have changed through our family lives, depending on who is fawning to Mum’s attentions most at any given time, and who is doing best in their own lives. My Stepdad is oblivious to the machinations of it all and seems happiest to vanish to the garden whenever family conversations take place. I see him now as the wisest party in the whole situation!

I have two kids myself now, 8 and 5yrs. My wife and I have worked very hard to ensure they have a balanced emotional support from us and knowing how Narcisism can be translated to the child, I am more aware of this trait developing in myself. My sister on the other hand, mother of three boys and separated herself, has pretty much gone the full slide to narcissim my mother went through and I feel so sorry for my nephews, but living the other side of the world as they do am largely helpless to do anything about it for now.
My Mum has been to visit us (only an hour away) just 4 times since my eldest was born, and the bitterness exhibited by my mother that I don’t visit her more often (whilst she’s retired and my Wife and I both work full time) has caused all sorts of trouble within the family. I hasten to add, I suggested she visit whenever she can, whilst letting us know when, (so we’re there), and this has been thrown back at me as a ‘so your door isn’t always open to me then!’ so many times.

I have a meeting with her on thursday this week and am dreading it, but thanks to this site and others, giving me, I think, some good tools and the ability to objectively see what’s actually going on in the conversations, I’ve a better chance of keeping my cool, and not rising to the narcissistic manipulations she always manages in these situations in the past.

doesn’t mean I’m not already losing sleep over the coming meeting though.

🙁

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Gloria June 16, 2018 at 1:22 pm

Hi fellow survivors,
I hope you’re all well.
Wow,it’s been a little over a year since I last spoke to my NM, I’d had minimal contact with her over the last 3 years until I was able to leave the country.
Healing and recovery is slow but progressive,thanks all for sharing and encouraging.We are definitely riding this ship guys!

Hello Chris,welcome to the site! Sorry you have to meet with her soon, I understand about your losing sleep over it. Am facing the same dilemma soon because I have to return to my home country shortly. But just remember to be fully present in the moment and not forget to focuss on just the practical purpose of seeing her,and not to give in to your humane side of treating her like a human being capable of compassion. They will NEVER EVER change! Not ever. Do not give in to that false hope. That’s the instinct that we always struggle with whenever we are faced with those horrendous encounters,since God has yet to grant us the ability to stay no contact forever. Just remember what you’ve been through,what you’ve learned here,and how far you’ve come on your journey to recovery,and DON’T let her take that away from you!She’s taken enough already for heavens sake! Good luck to us both.

Peace all.

Gloria

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Ashley June 27, 2018 at 8:20 pm

Hi everyone, thanks for supporting one another.

It’s been a bit of a shock for me to see how my own moms behaviour checks all the boxes on every blog on this site. I’m really struggling with coping this year. I thought I had recovered from the abuse from my childhood but it turns out I have a lot more to deal with. I’ve been experiencing feelings of worthlessness and inadequacy, I’m no expert but I also think I’m experiencing a bit of ptsd when I’m in situations where I feel out of control. My whole family growing up walked on eggshells throughout my entire childhood. There was no telling how she would act. I remember her screaming at my younger brother every morning before we went to school. She wouldn’t let me spend any time with my dad, I remember the one time he stood up for me he had to threaten her with divorce just so I could ride in the car with him for a 20 minute drive. When he took me out to practice for my driving test, she came out and told us we couldn’t use “her car” even though he literally bought and built it himself (he’s a mechanic). I remember she grounded me for a week because I didn’t put a pillowcase on my pillow one time. She asked me to wear her prom dress from when she was in high school and when it didn’t fit she was extremely disappointed. When I arrived to a friends house she would call and tell me to come home because I didn’t deserve to be there since my room was messy. She made me go to all my teachers and ask what I could do better when I got B’s on my report card in high school. I remember having a break down, I was crying for a good 3 hours when she came in my room and I yelled at her to just get out (the only time I remember standing up for myself). The next day she was angry at me and made me apologize because she owns the house so it’s technically her room, not mine so I don’t have the right to tell her to leave it. I just did it to keep the peace, but I still feel tremendous guilt for not standing up for me and my brother. I begged my dad to do something but he just ended up telling me I could last another year until I graduated. I remember running my hands under scalding hot water until they were raw and crying because I thought I deserved it. Nothing was ever good enough. Her behaviour was so embarrassing and erratic. I was angry at my brother a lot for appeasing her when she cried- she cries all the time for attention. I think he was in the hero role at that point. She would sit in the living room when she knew I was bringing my boyfriend over to get attention. She flirted with every boyfriend I had – even going to the extent to send them messages about how she feels about her body, fishing for compliments from them. I told my most current ex to not add her on facebook or respond to her texts out of embarrassment for the inevitable (she still flirted with him in person and made him uncomfortable). Most recently I planned to spend the weekend at her place after a trip but because I didn’t contact her the second I got off the plane, when I arrived she grabbed my arm, spun me and spanked me in front of her boyfriend just like she did when we were kids. I was so humiliated and shocked I didn’t know what to say. I ended up leaving in the middle of the night in tears without saying goodbye. I’ve been contemplating breaking off all contact, but how on earth do you bring that up or go about doing it? She’s my mother and I still have hope that we can have a functional relationship, but every time I get close to her she really hurts me. Any tips on creating boundaries or limiting/breaking contact?

Thanks for listening everyone, I feel better knowing there’s a name for what I experienced and that there are others who can help.

Ashley

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Kylie June 28, 2018 at 7:48 am

I’m all for breaking contact when they start with the violence Ashley. But that must be your decision because once you go no contact you will never be forgiven. How on earth do you bring that up or go about doing it? Simply try creating a boundary with her. Maybe start by saying spanking me in public is totally unacceptable under ANY circumstances and that you will not tolerate violence.
If you do mange to create any boundary you must be fully prepared to enforce it. If she detects any feelings you have of “worthlessness and inadequacy” she will likely try to use it to bypass your attempts.
Allowing you to create boundaries means her control over you will be diminished and she might decide that you are not worth her time and try to banish you from her life and she may well try to hurt your feelings, thus negating the need for you to instigate going no contact. She’ll simply go to your brother to get sympathy and use it to manipulate. I think there will always be a part of us that wants to have a functional relationship but as Gloria said she probably will never change especially if other family members are enabling her poor behaviour. Always remember that you are not alone especially when you feel like you are. Your primary responsibility now has to be to yourself. Make a golden rule or a pact with yourself that you must never hurt yourself again. In the end we are the only ones who can fully understand and take care ourselves. Siblings can be a wonderful support like mine was or they can be another source of tremendous pain. My father would have taken me in without hesitation no matter the circumstances. It could be safer to wait until you are confident you have a good ability to nurture yourself or at least until you are certain you have some kind of solid support mechanism Ashley. It took me three decades with on and off communication before I felt strong enough to go no contact, constantly battling between the desire for a real relationship with her and with my own needs whilst unaware I was dealing with NPD.
Best of luck Ashley I’m sure all our hearts and best wishes are with you, mine are 🙂

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Anonymous June 28, 2018 at 9:45 pm

Thanks so much Kylie, that means a lot and really helps.

-Ashley

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Adam D August 8, 2018 at 9:21 pm

Girl…..sending you the most amazing of loving vibes. You elicited some of the most tricky and hard to put into words tactics of narcissists. “How dare you stay in your room cause this is my house”…I mean can you imagine yourself being a parent and saying such a thing to a child? Their disorder is truly evil — none of that was you. And in saying saying so, just remembering none of that was me either. Wishing you peace. 🙂

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Biret August 2, 2018 at 6:12 pm

Hi Ashley.
I am 52 years old and still strugeling with this problem. I want to have good relation with my mother because she looked after me all these years. But it is very diffucult.she has been flirting with my husband last 22 years. I didnt have any relation with my father. He didnt understand what she was doing. I understand with this website few weeks ego. I suffered alot.
Any recomendation how we can recover from the effects?

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Kylie June 28, 2018 at 6:04 am

This is a bit long but I want to post it in the hope that it might help someone else with their struggle with the NDP mother.
Deep inside from an early age I have always known that there was something wrong with my mother. I remember feeling something I had never known before when I went to visit a friend across the road and saw how her mother interacted with her, it was a very different atmosphere from what it was at my house.
I hadn’t been in communication with her for a year. I am 45 and about 6 months ago I learned about narcissism, it’s been a life changing experience and for a while I found myself re-evaluating my entire life. I understand why I felt more like a slave than a daughter. I see now that I was parentified after my parents separated and felt I had to sooth her through her failed relationships from around the age of 9 or 10. I see now why I couldn’t tell her that my step father tried to sexually abuse me when I was 15 (fortunataley he eventually took all the no’s for an answer and left me alone), I was afraid that she would not believe me or worse, she would say it was my fault. I left to live with father for a year but came back because I was worried about her she was complaining about being alone and kept saying the he was sick and couldn’t come to
the phone. She was lying about that he actually had committed himself to a mental institution. It took 10 years to heal myself from that abuse and I thought it would be a bit easier to overcome anything bad life threw at me, I was wrong the pain I have with an abusive mother is worse. She mostly took the guilt-driven approach to control me but she was also explicit when the situation allowed it.
My parents divorced in 88 and she was re-married for 15 years but widowed when my step father died from AIDs related problems. His last words to her were that he was sorry he couldn’t keep her in the lifestyle she deserved. She told me that as if it was proof that he deeply loved her. I was disgusted, any respect I had for her died that day but I still could not completely stop loving her. I can say that I have fitted into all child roles during my life, but almost always I was a scapegoat. My brother pretty much choose not to communicate with her after around the age of 14 and left live with
my father (my brother is a smart one!) I guess he decided he was going to be the lost child. My brother and I have always had a pretty good relationship and I am glad that her attempts to turn us against each other failed.
My wonderful father lived with me barring two occasions he had to spend in the nursing home. It was clear he wouldn’t be coming home again when he was hospitalised in January. He was 70 years old and suffered from muscular dystrophy. The last thing we wanted was my mother showing up to play hero so we didn’t tell her (why should we have to anyway). When she found out she left multiple nasty messages via voicemail calling me all the names under the sun and telling me we’re done. I didn’t bother to reply to that insanity. It was all getting a bit too much for me and I decided I should go to see a psychologist. My father passed away almost two weeks ago and on the day of my father’s funeral during the service when all was quiet she had a go at me from across the room for not talking to her. Even at that moment she had to be the center of attention in anyway she could. Walking out of the chapel she called her sister a b*tch
and said “I am his wife”. Later at the wake she started a fight, tried to punch her sister in law in the face and my uncle tried lead her out the door but she broke free and scratched him down the side of his face. I heard someone yell call the police she was totally enraged and her self-control was gone. I was completely shocked and found myself pulling at my own hair I don’t even remember doing it I had lost time I don’t know what happened next, when I snapped out of it she was gone and I was crying in my dear brother’s arms. Since then I have been wondering if her disorder has developed into something else within the NPD cluster and have recurring fears that she will again manifest her vindictiveness like come and burn my house down – while I’m in it!
I am very grateful to have the full support of my entire family and I feel I am truly fortunate not to have a sibling that hates me, that would be too painful and I’m crying for those of you that have yet another source of pain and suffering.
I’ll do some research into Borderline Personality Disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder.
I am so angry at myself right now because there is no switch I can turn off to remove even just that little tiny bit of love I still feel for her. In my mind I have no doubt she will destroy me if I maintain any kind of relationship with her and I’m doing my best to accept that. It is as Amanda said – unmendable and thanks Gloria, I have recently been reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle and you remind me to keep doing my best to stay present in each moment. I’ll be starting on Michelle’s book shortly.

I’d like to finish by saying keep up the good fight boys an girls. You are unique, wonderful people and you are so much more capable of sharing your love than your twisted mother ever could be. None of it is your fault and it’s OK if you don’t want to keep her in your life – it might be just what you need.

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Shaz July 6, 2018 at 10:11 am

My NM had a difficult childhood as she was abandoned by her NM who also had a difficult childhood…. Their relationship hung over everything.
I started to realise what a disappointment I am to my NM compared to the Golden Child as husband and I don’t have kids and I’m not interested in climbing the corporate career ladder. For a long time I thought I hadn’t done very well in school, until I went back and actually looked at my grades. As an adult I found I was constantly striving to achieve, probably due to thinking I’ve achieved nothing and haven’t reached my potential – not true.
The sisters-in-law are amazing and I constantly hear how great they are and what an amazing relationship my NM has with them. We were all sat at dinner when my NM tells them that my dad was so excited when I was born, but she didn’t want any more kids. She said this while I was still grieving his death and trying to keep control of my overwhelming anxiety. She divorced my dad when I was a kid and strung him along for years thinking that they might get back together. I now think he probably came to the same conclusion I did that she has NPD and he went and found someone else, which shocked us all after all those years, but I told him I was pleased for him and made an effort with her even though I didn’t really like her, for his sake (a colleague told me I too had been strung along with this fantasy that was never to be). Dad always listened and I never felt I had to prove anything to him. A friend of his told me at the funeral that he was really proud of me. Nothing to do with achievements, just for being me.
Thankfully grief counselling brought some of this stuff out and I have been able to put in boundaries, and enjoy my own life and creative interests. My mother and I have a relationship, a lot of one-sided conversations, no interest in me as an individual with emotions, but I am no longer under any illusions. So good to find other people who understand!

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Max July 11, 2018 at 11:43 am

Great read! When I replace “mother” with “father” and “she” with “he”, this reads perfectly upon my narcissistic father in my situation!

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Jonathan L. Gal July 12, 2018 at 12:57 pm

I believe I suffer from anxiety due to a Narcissistic Mother.

She denies everything, claims absolute perfection, and refuses to apologize for hurting my feelings time & again.

I am trying to protect my four children from her, but she insists on her grandparental visitation rights.

She does not respond to reason or love. She just keeps berating me for my faults, including having the very four children that she now insists on visiting.

She opposed my marriage and my having children. Now, she insists on visiting with them.

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Gloria July 22, 2018 at 4:03 am

Hi Kylie,
Welcome to the site.
Am so glad to hear you’re reading Eckhart Tolle. That book took me through the darkest time of my life and I still carry it around like daily.saved me lots of therapy.that and this site.lol.
Good luck on your journey.Keep on keeping on.You’re so not alone.

Peace all

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Biret July 30, 2018 at 4:44 pm

Hi,
I met this website 1 month ego and found the answers I am looking for. I am 52 years old. I had alot of suffering because of my NM. Because not knowing real love relation my
Husband is like my mother. I am not seeing my mother since 3 months. But my hasbund is with me. I have to find way out about it as well. I dont have good Incom myself.I have two children going private schools. I am not feeling strong enough to leave my husband because of this.

Thanks Michelle for helping and giving this important informations. I am so glad and happy by knowing and understanding all these problems. I had my freedom in the end.

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Jen August 1, 2018 at 9:26 pm

This is amazing! I’ve spent my entire teen and adult life navigating, medicating and alienating from the affects of a Narcissistic Mother who was also extremely physically abusive and controlling. I’m not at all close to my family and neither is my sibling. We don’t even know one another because of the alienation.

The effects from growing up with this has and is still affecting every corner of my life from childhood to today. the effects and seeds are burrowed in the conscious of all my triumphs, successes and failures. Overtime I’ve tried to connect I am reminded who she is. I actually no longer have a phone anymore and am in the throws of changing my name at the present because of the impression from our last conversation.

Thank you for shining a light on this! It may help.

I am currently talking with someone I thought would work out but not sure yet.

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Biret August 2, 2018 at 2:42 pm

Not to talk to my mother makes me feel sad. Both situation is diffucult forme talking or not talking to her.
I dont know how will I be solve my problems that I have because of my NM. I didnt have love relation never with men. This is the one of the problems I have. I dont trust people. I feel all the time something bad will happen to me our my family. I feel anxiety all the time.
Is there any suggestions in order to recover from effects of NM behaviours.

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Luke August 6, 2018 at 9:49 am

I heard about this website several weeks ago, but only got around to checking it out last night. I experienced a great sense of relief to find others who had been through almost exact circumstances with their mothers as I had with mine. It was encouraging to know there are other people on this planet that I can fully relate to. I’m sure its no coincidence that I slept better last night than I have in weeks.
My mother was extremely abusive to me, physically, emotionally and sexually. I grew up on an isolated ranch that also was my prison, with my mother as the chief warden. I had no where to run and no one to turn to. I’m 61 years old now and have struggled all my life feeling that I’m less than others and not really worthy of being a part of the human race. At times I have been debilitated by self-hatred, anxiety, isolation and drug and alcohol abuse. I have been through re-hab, therapy and in and out of 12 step groups ( A.A. and CoDA ). I give credit to those things ( especially CoDA ) for saving my life and helping me find a measure of sanity. That’s all I will say for now. Thanks to all who have shared their stories. I am honored to be able to hear the stories of people who have survived what you all have been through.

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Adam D August 8, 2018 at 9:01 pm

Thank you so much for this awesome website. I am a son of a narcissistic mother and in my my first year of full understanding of where I came from (at 38). I am pushing onwards but in a weird state of disorientation because part of the problem of waking up is realizing I’ve never really figured out who I was either (and neither had the narcissist) and feeling exponentially behind my peers in terms of being able to say “what I want.” Jobs, relationships, hobbies, recreation! It was always to make someone else happy or at least satiated. Some days I dream of launching a brute-force “honesty” nuclear bomb in her and my enabling father’s direction — laying everything from our extended ancestors on down to me and my siblings out in the light…but I hear this isn’t the greatest strategy. Has anyone dropped the truth bomb on their mothers? Called out an NPD as an NPD? The literature makes it sound like its “crossing the streams” from Ghostbusters….and as scary as that is, I am sorda like f*$% the narcissist and f*#$ this society even more for letting emotional abuse just drip through the cracks. It’s time to wake up folks. This ends with us.

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Nicky August 9, 2018 at 8:24 am

Adam, I once dropped that bomb, and there was silence for 6 months. It was a great emotional release after years of just taking all the mistreatment, but it didn’t solve much. There were a few letters of ‘you said’ and ‘I said’ but we still didn’t address the main issues. This was the story of my childhood, never discussing our feelings. It did show my parents that I wasn’t such a doormat, though, so I do not regret my outburst for one second! Unfortunately, I wasn’t brave enough to use the momentum to inject some honesty into our relationship. It carried on the same, with the 6 months of no contact just being a ‘blip’ or speed bump. Now 10 years later, it’s even more difficult.

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Gloria August 10, 2018 at 12:02 pm

Hi Adam,
‘weird state of disorientation’. – I like that.
‘f*$% the narcissist and f*#$ this society even more for letting emotional abuse just drip through the cracks. It’s time to wake up folks. This ends with us.’ -I COULDN’T AGREE MORE!! I always say its the most horrendous crime on humanity that every child in the world isn’t taught about NMs. Its awful just to think about it.I cant even imagine what state I’d be in if I hadn’t found this site,and all the supportive literature.

Anyhow, about launching a brute-force “honesty” nuclear bomb, that’s a nice thought,but am afraid it will most probably fall on deaf ears,indifferent personalities and deadened emotional centres. Because that’s all there is. It wont make a shred of a difference. I poured out my heart,spilled my guts to all of them and anyone who cared to listen but it didn’t move them even a single inch. Just save that for normal human beings,not psychopaths,am sorry to say. But I’ve found that all efforts must go into self help and healing.

Peace all

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Biret August 9, 2018 at 3:10 pm

Dear Nicky,
What do you mean it is more diffucult after ten years. Dont you see your mother since ten years. Is it diffucult because you dont see her?
I am not seeing my mother last few months yesterday she called me. I felt very upset because I want to see her bacause she is my mother. She behaves nicely first but sudenly changes and bocame like devil. I remember her nice behaviour I feel sorry but you can never trust because she is crazy. It is very diffucult stutation.

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Nicky August 10, 2018 at 3:35 am

Hi Biret, yes, reading my post, I realise that I gave that impression, sorry. No, we have been meeting once or twice a year since a huge fallout 10 years ago. We didn’t speak for 6 months after that (on the phone, as I live abroad and the argument happened when my folks were visiting me) They got drunk one night, and said some terrible things about me and my children (while thinking I was in bed and out of earshot) It was the final straw after many years of bending over backwards for them while they stayed with us, yet them not helping, not communicating with me or their grandchildren, basically just drinking and waiting to be served…I was ready to cut them out of my life at that point, but crumbled after 6 months. The sad thing is that now they are older we only have one meeting per year (when we go to the UK to visit) and yet, even then, they don’t seem to appreciate just being together, and enjoying each other. I actually feel unwelcome and a ‘tolerated’ deviation from their routine. We don’t stay in their home, so everyone has plenty of space, yet even the short visits are stressful for me, as there is no real conversation. They drink and repeat the same stories. If they are sober, there’s usually an awkward silence. My mum can also be a bit nasty and unpredictable. I am always in a mess by the time I leave the UK, and always cry on the way home (my kids, bless them, try to cheer me up!) but my parents happily wave us off, happy to get back to their tennis on TV, wine and bingo. I’m happy in a way that they don’t miss us too much, because I don’t want them to feel pain or sadness…but there is a complete lack of feeling or emotion.

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Patti September 3, 2018 at 4:23 am

Your website and input from others has really helped me more forward with strength to deal with my NM. I’m 62, and fought the reality of what she really was, being groomed to think it was always me. Finally, about 12 years ago, I googled her behaviors and discovered she was a NM and I needed to learned coping skills to deal with her. I couldn’t go no contact because at that time I was taking care of her sisters (who were like real mothers to me) and my mother. But I started enforcing strict boundaries, and she got used to them because she doesn’t drive and needed me for transportation. Now it’s just my NM, and I have a wonderful support system and have greatly improved in my ability to deal with her with feeling anger, resentment, or disrespect. Despite not knowing who I was in her care, I was fortunate enough to start realizing something was wrong really early in my life. I sought out other mother figures early on to gain confidence, figuring out that she was the only person who was consistently critical and cruel. Even at 91, she is very clever, manipulative, and devious, including lying to get her way. Deep down I love her, but I don’t love her behaviors, so I try to separate the two. People see me as “having it all together,” but my external doesn’t reflect my internal, where the seeds of her grooming from my early years still impact who I am today. Not being very trustful since those days, I carefully selected people to trust and have an amazing husband, sons, daugthers-in-laws, and great friends who really know me deeply, which is very rewarding and inspiring. Regardless of our unique situations, each of us know that whether we are no contact, low contact, or “in your face” in our relationship with our NP, they instilled a weakness in us that we fight every day to survive. It’s like an undercurrent that we push back as best we can. I thank God for this website and guidance from others who understand the depth of injury this parent caused us, in the past, present, and future. And I wish each of us the peace of mind, body, and soul that can only come from within that we find in our own way.

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Janet September 3, 2018 at 10:02 am

HELP!!! One of my mother’s caregivers recently texted me and told me my mother “is DEFINITELY a Narcissistic Sociopath.” I really didn’t know what that meant until I Googled the term. And now I have a definition that explains the crazy-making, stress, drama, self-esteem lowering, lack of empathy or compassion, Golden Child/sister and Scapegoat Child/me that I have been subjected to my entire life! God help me! NOTHING I do is ever good enough or appreciated. And I’ve made the HUGE mistake of bringing my mother to my area to live in my rental house. I have been with my narcissistic/sociopathic, elderly, and now blind mother EVERY SINGLE DAY for the last month+. I have helped her arrange caregivers to come help her six days a week, but she still complains to everyone how neglected she is. My daughter and son-in-law took her to their church a couple times, and now they are the BEST and she said she could easily turn my daughter against me. That’s really not going to happen because my daughter and I have a great, mutually respectful, honest relationship, but what mother wants to try to turn her daughter and grand-daughter against each other?! And when I was babysitting my four grandchildren at my house shortly after my mother arrived, she said that children are boring to her and she couldn’t stand to be around them. I think it’s because my mother wants ALL the attention, and can show no love or compassion towards anyone but herself. I am ill with the stress of it all. I just don’t think I can do it any more. I don’t really care if she crawls back to my Golden Child/sister or writes me out of her will (which I always assumed she would do any way). I just want my life and my sanity back!

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Biret September 12, 2018 at 3:45 pm

Because of my NM I dont know love relation and didnt choose love relation with my husband. How can I over come this problem. How some other people find the love relation altough they have narcissistic mother? This question is very important for me.

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Harriet September 19, 2018 at 10:38 am

Thanks for this site.Just saw my MIL and so much of this fits her. She constantly brings up my hubby’s failings as a child, even though he is pushing 60 and very successful professionally and personally. She routinely pouts and walks out of family functions if she doesn’t get enough attention. Anything nice we buy for ourselves is “too expensive” and “not worth it” but the same types of things in the Golden Child’s home are suddenly impressive. On the other hand, if you buy her something thoughtful expensive and pretty, she “can’t use it,” but buy something inexpensive and you will disappoint her. She competes with me in areas that don’t matter to me. I am from a very nurturing family and find this so unsettling. MIL never calls anyone in the family , but will complain about how she never hears from anyone. She has trouble keeping friends because has no ability to reciprocate interest or kindness. She shows zero interest in our only child and has written her out of her will, even though she has done nothing to offend her and is polite and considerate . In general, she includes and omits people from her will all the time depending on how much they please her, and she is not a wealthy woman. She also makes jokes about how if she runs out of money, her sons will support her, which I find similarly unsettling. MIL never announces her visits until the plane tickets are bought, so you can’t say it’s not a good time. Then, you have to take vacation days to be her hostess pick her up at the airport—-no Uber even if you pay for it—-and drive her around while she finds ways to criticize your guest room, housekeeping, driving, clothing and the places you are taking her even though she chose the destinations. You also have to pay for everything and she will change arrangements at the last minute just for fun. If you visit her, she will ignore or criticize you and then complain that the visit was too short. She also offers unsolicited beauty tips. We have one family member who is mentally ill, but according to MIL, it’s just laziness and she feels no sympathy. As MIL gets older, she tends to alter her versions of events that happened in the past so that she plays a more prominent role. Often, these claims are blatantly false or include people she has only met in passing. She will make comments about what she “used to do” all the time, but it will be something that never happened or happened once. Her childhood has also become more tragic. (It actually was tragic, but new, horrible stories emerge more frequently larely.) Does she really believe them or is she putting on a show?

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Kuro October 3, 2018 at 6:51 pm

I don’t understand…why are there no ways to find out the answer to my question? Im scared…and don’t know whats going on…is there a place for me to go and live? I just want to live and enjoy life and learn things and by loved by a mom and dad….I’am only 15…. :'(

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